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	<title>Comments on: Vineet Bhalla (Klazart) Interviewed About Authonomy</title>
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		<title>By: Kira Morgana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kira Morgana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a member of Authonomy and also Webook currently. Both voting systems are flawed - biased towards popularity rather than merit.

I can understand how Klazart feels. I joined Authonomy after the whole mess blew up and there was still a lot of residual bad feeling that I didn&#039;t understand at the time.Having read this interview I am a lot better informed as to why people are so touchy over the incident.

I think it depends on how you use the site as a writer.

If all you can think about is getting to the Editors Desk to get the Crit, then what Klazart did is fine. If you want to get honest feedback and help with your writing then you *have* to work the forums because you have to find the more professional members to crit your work. And they are hard to spot anywhere else. It goes by word of post mostly.

On Webook the forums are not as active as on Authonomy. Instead the activity is clique based and when the votes happen (every few months rather than every month on the dot) there is a lot of popularity voting that goes on. I&#039;m not there for that. I&#039;m there for the feedback and help that I get.

Both forums are good places to make friends. And that&#039;s important too - networking doesn&#039;t work unless you know a few people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a member of Authonomy and also Webook currently. Both voting systems are flawed &#8211; biased towards popularity rather than merit.</p>
<p>I can understand how Klazart feels. I joined Authonomy after the whole mess blew up and there was still a lot of residual bad feeling that I didn&#8217;t understand at the time.Having read this interview I am a lot better informed as to why people are so touchy over the incident.</p>
<p>I think it depends on how you use the site as a writer.</p>
<p>If all you can think about is getting to the Editors Desk to get the Crit, then what Klazart did is fine. If you want to get honest feedback and help with your writing then you *have* to work the forums because you have to find the more professional members to crit your work. And they are hard to spot anywhere else. It goes by word of post mostly.</p>
<p>On Webook the forums are not as active as on Authonomy. Instead the activity is clique based and when the votes happen (every few months rather than every month on the dot) there is a lot of popularity voting that goes on. I&#8217;m not there for that. I&#8217;m there for the feedback and help that I get.</p>
<p>Both forums are good places to make friends. And that&#8217;s important too &#8211; networking doesn&#8217;t work unless you know a few people.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip August</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip August</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vineet is right in saying that reviews should be assigned rather than chosen. There is an excellent UK site that already does that (and predates Authonomy) - youwriteon.com. I also agree that the number of votes a member has should be limited. After all, this reflects the limitations a budget puts on our book-buying in the real world. If every book-buyer could afford to order every book, how would the bestseller lists work as a guide?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vineet is right in saying that reviews should be assigned rather than chosen. There is an excellent UK site that already does that (and predates Authonomy) &#8211; youwriteon.com. I also agree that the number of votes a member has should be limited. After all, this reflects the limitations a budget puts on our book-buying in the real world. If every book-buyer could afford to order every book, how would the bestseller lists work as a guide?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Hagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one has mentioned that the week before the Klazart incident, there had been a big blow up on Authonomy about so called &quot;sock puppets.&quot;  It turned out several members had multiple identities on the site, which, unlike what Klazart did, is specifically forbidden by the site rules. That made me decide to leave because it made an already flawed system completely ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one has mentioned that the week before the Klazart incident, there had been a big blow up on Authonomy about so called &#8220;sock puppets.&#8221;  It turned out several members had multiple identities on the site, which, unlike what Klazart did, is specifically forbidden by the site rules. That made me decide to leave because it made an already flawed system completely ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting interview. I was a frustrated user of Authonomy during the weekend involved.  Like many on Authonomy, my first thought was that Authonomy was being hacked.  The combination of the rapid rise of a group of newcomers in the Talent Spotter Rankings and the website constantly crashing certainly made it look like that was what was going on.

Under those circumstances, anger is understandable.  Some people lashed out in hurtful ways, and in a few cases with crude stereotypes.  That&#039;s not acceptable. On the other hand, it is important to note that a number of Authonomy veterans did speak out against that behavior, and some of them left the community because they did not want to be associated in any way with those kind of remarks.

As to Authonomy: I think most people who have been on Authonomy for more than a few weeks end up holding two somewhat contradictory views on the site.  First, there is the ideal: That Authonomy is a meritocracy where people who are good at spotting promising books gradually become more influential and good books rise in the ratings.  But there is also the dark side: People swapping support, mediocre books rising in the ratings because their authors are able to spend inordinate amounts of time on the site.  

So which view reflects the reality of Authonomy? Both to some extent.  There are people on Authonomy who carefully weigh every decision on whether or not to back a book.  Good books do rise in the ratings.  On the other hand, far too many people do try to figure out a shortcut, some way to avoid all of the tedious bother of producing a good story and helping other aspiring authors do the same.  Some of those seekers of shortcuts are subtle.  Some are nearly as blatant as Vineet was.  All attempt to take more from the community than they put back and inevitably diminish the community by doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting interview. I was a frustrated user of Authonomy during the weekend involved.  Like many on Authonomy, my first thought was that Authonomy was being hacked.  The combination of the rapid rise of a group of newcomers in the Talent Spotter Rankings and the website constantly crashing certainly made it look like that was what was going on.</p>
<p>Under those circumstances, anger is understandable.  Some people lashed out in hurtful ways, and in a few cases with crude stereotypes.  That&#8217;s not acceptable. On the other hand, it is important to note that a number of Authonomy veterans did speak out against that behavior, and some of them left the community because they did not want to be associated in any way with those kind of remarks.</p>
<p>As to Authonomy: I think most people who have been on Authonomy for more than a few weeks end up holding two somewhat contradictory views on the site.  First, there is the ideal: That Authonomy is a meritocracy where people who are good at spotting promising books gradually become more influential and good books rise in the ratings.  But there is also the dark side: People swapping support, mediocre books rising in the ratings because their authors are able to spend inordinate amounts of time on the site.  </p>
<p>So which view reflects the reality of Authonomy? Both to some extent.  There are people on Authonomy who carefully weigh every decision on whether or not to back a book.  Good books do rise in the ratings.  On the other hand, far too many people do try to figure out a shortcut, some way to avoid all of the tedious bother of producing a good story and helping other aspiring authors do the same.  Some of those seekers of shortcuts are subtle.  Some are nearly as blatant as Vineet was.  All attempt to take more from the community than they put back and inevitably diminish the community by doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: Darla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I joined the site on the day all the madness started.  I almost left immediately.  It appeared to be a popularity contest for the writer as opposed to the book.  I have found since working on it for a week, that a good book will get looked at.  If your goal is to get detailed critiquing for your work, this may not be the best place for you.  If you are want to get a general feel for how your book is received, this is an excellent site for that.  It has merits and it has flaws but I have found it was well worth the time and effort.  I have also had the opportunity to read some excellent stories by other writers, that helps me get perspective on my own work.  I enjoyed your interview and appreciate some insight on what I walked into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I joined the site on the day all the madness started.  I almost left immediately.  It appeared to be a popularity contest for the writer as opposed to the book.  I have found since working on it for a week, that a good book will get looked at.  If your goal is to get detailed critiquing for your work, this may not be the best place for you.  If you are want to get a general feel for how your book is received, this is an excellent site for that.  It has merits and it has flaws but I have found it was well worth the time and effort.  I have also had the opportunity to read some excellent stories by other writers, that helps me get perspective on my own work.  I enjoyed your interview and appreciate some insight on what I walked into.</p>
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		<title>By: geoff thorne</title>
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		<dc:creator>geoff thorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauri, I respect you, not only as a good writer but also as a proponent of good writing and as a publishing futurist. Because of that I&#039;m not going to blow up this blog.

I will simply say that Vineet is a gifted manipulator of both social interaction and of the truth. His responses to your questions paint him as a wide-eyed innocent in this incident and that is very very far from the truth of the events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauri, I respect you, not only as a good writer but also as a proponent of good writing and as a publishing futurist. Because of that I&#8217;m not going to blow up this blog.</p>
<p>I will simply say that Vineet is a gifted manipulator of both social interaction and of the truth. His responses to your questions paint him as a wide-eyed innocent in this incident and that is very very far from the truth of the events.</p>
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		<title>By: Sybil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sybil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent interview. My problem was that being new to Authonomy as well, I was under the impression that it was the good books that rise. I have to admit that this is not necessarily true. It turns out that it is just a game. A game with merits and flaws.

Some books in the top got there with a lot of efforts and pushing. Others might be better written but it still took a little effort to get them to the top. I don&#039;t think a bad book will rise to the top five no matter how much pushing.

Vineet, I really hope you keep your book up there and finish this out. I want to see where it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent interview. My problem was that being new to Authonomy as well, I was under the impression that it was the good books that rise. I have to admit that this is not necessarily true. It turns out that it is just a game. A game with merits and flaws.</p>
<p>Some books in the top got there with a lot of efforts and pushing. Others might be better written but it still took a little effort to get them to the top. I don&#8217;t think a bad book will rise to the top five no matter how much pushing.</p>
<p>Vineet, I really hope you keep your book up there and finish this out. I want to see where it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. I agree completely about limiting votes. We had a huge to-do about this around December on the forums, the thread participants petitioned the site admins to limit to 5/week, and we never heard another thing about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. I agree completely about limiting votes. We had a huge to-do about this around December on the forums, the thread participants petitioned the site admins to limit to 5/week, and we never heard another thing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very rarely get angry but this guy manages to push my buttons with amazing consistency.  His self-regarding, self-justifying putdown of the Authonomy community which he did not and does not understand invariably wreaks total havoc on my blood pressure.

I&#039;ve been an active participant at authonomy since last November. While it is true that some books in the top five rose to that lofty state by somewhat sneaky means (though nothing approaching the underhandedness of the Klazart scheme,) a preponderance of the top five have been worthy books that rose strictly through merit and through the active participation of their authors. Klazart&#039;s wheeze made a mockery of that. Many of us hoped, and have been working hard to ensure, that in time &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; the books in the top five would be works of high quality, vetted by conscientious readers and authors. Klazart is interested in himself and his own book, nothing more. He is not the only writer on Authonomy who could be described this way, but he is by far the worst, and his activities are an insult to those of us who have been playing by the rules the whole time. I condemn his dishonorable scheme and I condemn everything he has said here; most of all, I condemn his failure to understand what he did wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very rarely get angry but this guy manages to push my buttons with amazing consistency.  His self-regarding, self-justifying putdown of the Authonomy community which he did not and does not understand invariably wreaks total havoc on my blood pressure.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been an active participant at authonomy since last November. While it is true that some books in the top five rose to that lofty state by somewhat sneaky means (though nothing approaching the underhandedness of the Klazart scheme,) a preponderance of the top five have been worthy books that rose strictly through merit and through the active participation of their authors. Klazart&#8217;s wheeze made a mockery of that. Many of us hoped, and have been working hard to ensure, that in time <i>all</i> the books in the top five would be works of high quality, vetted by conscientious readers and authors. Klazart is interested in himself and his own book, nothing more. He is not the only writer on Authonomy who could be described this way, but he is by far the worst, and his activities are an insult to those of us who have been playing by the rules the whole time. I condemn his dishonorable scheme and I condemn everything he has said here; most of all, I condemn his failure to understand what he did wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Vineet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vineet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lexi,
I apologise, my comments are not directed at you personally, or anyone else.

I just disagree with the general conception, that Ranking = merit. That of course, does not mean that one can&#039;t be both highly ranked, and have merit.

I&#039;d venture that all of us feel that our works have merit, and deserve to be published and read, if not, then why are we writers?

Of course, Edith Wharton&#039;s &#039;The age of innocence,&#039; was considered to be vapid, superficial and pointless when it was first published. Henry James was considered to be over-complicated and wordy. Many people even today consider Ulysses to be unreadable. The list goes on.

Ultimately, I suppose, like all other things, History will decide merit. Though I&#039;m still a little unsure about the true meaning of the word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lexi,<br />
I apologise, my comments are not directed at you personally, or anyone else.</p>
<p>I just disagree with the general conception, that Ranking = merit. That of course, does not mean that one can&#8217;t be both highly ranked, and have merit.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d venture that all of us feel that our works have merit, and deserve to be published and read, if not, then why are we writers?</p>
<p>Of course, Edith Wharton&#8217;s &#8216;The age of innocence,&#8217; was considered to be vapid, superficial and pointless when it was first published. Henry James was considered to be over-complicated and wordy. Many people even today consider Ulysses to be unreadable. The list goes on.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I suppose, like all other things, History will decide merit. Though I&#8217;m still a little unsure about the true meaning of the word.</p>
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